Gw2 Will We Ever See the Racial Story Characters in Later Story Again
Every bit others have said A-cyberspace has made a few comments on this, unfortunately to the probably not going to happen tune. I would personally LOVE a way to alter races, merely I do empathise the reasoning backside non having it.
You could merely create a new graphic symbol with the race you wish to play. Ascended Gear is account leap, so you don't accept to arts and crafts it again and exotics would be like shooting fish in a barrel to get.
While this is true, what y'all aren't calculation is… Map completion, LW stuff, Character altogether, crafting (not that its hard to craft), and most importantly personal inventory expansions purchased for a character.
Utilise your L80 Boost to create a Norn graphic symbol with your Asura's profession.
If you lot haven't purchased HoT, do and then; you lot said you would buy the game again. Or, subsequently playing iii years, you probably have plenty ToKs to level a new character to fourscore immediately. Transfer Ascended gear, and voila!, race change.
Good luck.
@Miku: Map Completion tin can be done once more, or fifty-fifty much faster, if he only gets the needed waypoints. LW Stuff can as well be washed again, or the items are accountbound anyway (or merely fluff and personal memory), he shouldn't delete his old character, and so he can still get all birthday presents and personal inventory expansions are in the tp.
So all in all you can become a race change with 2k Gems (including three inventory expansions and a new characterslot) and a chip of time. Seems similar a reasonable enough deal for a feature thats gamebreaking otherwise.
@Miku: Map Completion tin be done again, or even much faster, if he only gets the needed waypoints. LW Stuff can also be washed again, or the items are accountbound anyhow (or just fluff and personal memory), he shouldn't delete his old grapheme, and then he can still become all altogether presents and personal inventory expansions are in the tp.
And then all in all you can go a race change with 2k Gems (including 3 inventory expansions and a new characterslot) and a bit of time. Seems similar a reasonable enough bargain for a feature thats gamebreaking otherwise.
Correct, obviously all of the things could exist re-done and re-purchased. That doesn't alter the fact that it would still have to exist done or purchased when creating a new grapheme. Which makes information technology not exactly the same thing. As I said I completely understand why information technology isn't an available feature, how ever that doesn't mean creating a new character is the same as beingness able to change the race with a token etc.
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^^; I'k not actually sure. When I saw the thing about buying the game once more I was totally lost too, so I simply figured information technology was a way of proverb the OP wouldn't mind paying for it.
Ahh yea actually I'thou really not sure what the OP ways, with that part I'm just guessing.
And super glad we tin make more than then i character per account :P
Here's my idea. What if they made something similar a Race Disguise available in the gem store? For instance, OP would buy a Norn Race Disguise and employ that disguise to his Asura. At present his Asura looks similar a Norn just is actually still an Asura. Any race-specific story missions would still exist Asura. Home would still be Rata Sum.
I'm sure that's not petty to implement but should be a whole lot less complicated than actually irresolute race. Would that suffice for people who want to change race? It should if it's purely cosmetic thing. They already accept disguises in the game, just not on a game-wide scale like this would be. This might also be something that would be purchased by more than people than just those who desire to change race.
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I honestly don't come across a purpose in what this thread is wanting. The corporeality of resources ANET would take to put towards this wouldn't justify the limited market the change would create. Plus it would pull resources away from other areas of evolution and for me that wouldn't be worth information technology.
And such is the attitude of Guild Wars two customs:
- Player 1: Anet is wasting time developing eastward-sport
- Player 2: Anet is wasting time developing raid
- Player 3: Anet is wasting time developing outfits
- Player four: Anet is wasting fourth dimension developing WvW
- Player 5: Anet is wasting time developing API
- Actor six: Anet is wasting time developing precious stone shop functions
I'm not against the idea; I simply can't imagine how it would exist a good business decision by ANet to make it happen.
They implemented in WoW, and charge $25 dollars. The same arguments were made about breaking quest log, breaking story content, vs re-roll, etc.
Considering how many people employ the makeover kit, information technology is in the aforementioned realm of business decision.
Hardcore players are not going to care, and are going to tell people to re-whorl. Even if hardcore players use it they are going to pay with in-game gilt. Casual players (Fashion Wars 2 players) are the ones going to be the major acquirement generators of this. Mid-cadre players similar myself are somewhere in between.
But in WoW you can't just make a new character, and have him in maxed gear and level in v minutes (not without paying extra for that, likewise)
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I'm non against the idea; I just can't imagine how it would be a skilful business organisation conclusion past ANet to brand it happen.
They implemented in WoW, and charge $25 dollars. The same arguments were made nearly breaking quest log, breaking story content, vs re-roll, etc.
Because how many people use the makeover kit, information technology is in the same realm of business organisation decision.
Hardcore players are non going to care, and are going to tell people to re-coil. Even if hardcore players apply information technology they are going to pay with in-game golden. Casual players (Style Wars 2 players) are the ones going to be the major revenue generators of this. Mid-core players similar myself are somewhere in between.
Code is written differently in each game. While WoW may accept been able to detect the answers to the problems they ran into while implementing race change, we have physical evidence that race change likely won't be possible with GW2.
The personal story is the physical show. Just rearranging the steps in the story causes bug. Ane of my characters which had finished the unabridged personal story before they changed things effectually got affected this last go effectually. I had to redo similar 6 chapters including the long Victory or Death mission. And this concluding get around was to fix some of the issues acquired by the shuffling of the personal story.
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The race modify would be possible if the arroyo was dissimilar.
People that want a race alter are the ones that don't desire to lose world completion and birthday progress. All the race change kit would accept to do is copy that progress (and class) delete the old character and open up up graphic symbol creation menu to select a new graphic symbol with your old play stats. Personal story starts afresh, get-go at the level yous were earlier you race changed etc. People are definitely willing to lose some to gain some.
But and so you have design issues to deal with, because the personal story isn't designed to be replayable, so why should people who race change get to reexperience the personal story when others tin can't? What if someone chooses the same race afterwards using the race modify selection, do they go to experience the personal story again simply change their choices? If not, how would you change the character creation screen to adapt for one of the races to be unplayable? What about the character naming screen that's at the very end of the process? Exercise you lot go along that or remove it? What nigh a the rewards that are tied to the personal story? Do characters who get to modify race get new rewards for playing the story again? If they don't, that's a whole lot of recoding to conform that blueprint, one that wouldn't exist worth it, if they are allowed to keep personal story rewards, it can be exploited. How many times can a characters race be changed? Should it be once or many times? If the personal story would exist affected, living world season 2, heart of thorns and living world season 3 stuff would also need to be reset, because your choices in the personal story, order chosen and race chose, touch on dialogue in places, which ways the code would have to be updated to accommodate for all of that. What about achievements tied to personal story? Are they removed or retained? If removed, do they get to continue the achievement points? If not, what happens if the advantage track is lowered to the minimum, practice players then have to re-earn the rewards once more? If non, then you've given actress achievement points to someone for replaying the personal story, unless you also potentially want to remove either achievements or achievement points from the second round of personal story. Also would the histrion teleport to the level 1 case for their race? Storywise, the player has to become through there in order for future things to make sense. but then you have the nightmare of dealing with potentially level eighty characters oneshotting the enemies and,the boss at the end of the case, but as level 80s do everywhere low leveled. Its supposed to exist a chiliad introduction for players that there are bosses that yous tin fight fifty-fifty immediately, so what happens if that experience is ruined for other players? Do you make a different zone for higher than level i race changers? That needs to be programmed in and designed around that to make certain that higher level characters don't interfere with a offset character. What about all the bugs that would arise from that? Every time you code something, bugs happen, it'south an inevitability due to the nature of coding, then you lot take to spend time fixing as many bugs equally possible, is information technology worth the investment to restructure all of that and and so deal with the bugs and so that players tin change races? How practise y'all cost information technology? Would there exist a per limit business relationship to the number of race changes?
In that location is no simple fashion of implementing annihilation, especially stuff that messes with then much of the game from a personal story point of view, even If information technology is more possible this way. Information technology takes a lot to place anything in the game and it has to exist worth the toll of development. In my eyes, because all the higher up, it's not feasible to practice a race change when the resources and development could exist used in other, honestly speaking, more important elements in the game. In that location'due south simply too low of a render from something similar race change for the evolution costs to be worth it, and that's an aside to all the issues that would arise from the possibility of a deployable personal story, considering if its possible on race change, it should be possible for other characters too and that dives deeper into other sorts of development issues as well.
There is no good choice for race changing unfortunately.
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There is no adept option for race changing unfortunately.
I already said it, a race modify would reset all your story. It would only copy globe completion and character historic period, character level and profession. You go on far likewise much about personal story rewards which are trash and tin can exist re-obtained with a 800 precious stone character slot anyway.
lv1-80 personal story doesnt practice a matter for LS2-HoT-LS3, my lv80 boosted chracters with 0% map completion practise LS2-HoT-LS3 with null problems. So no there won't exist updates needed at that place.
Giving your onetime progression back after the first mission is not impossible to plan so more non existent problems.
I already said information technology, a race change would reset all your story. Information technology would only re-create world completion and character age, character level and profession. You go along far too much about personal story rewards which are trash and tin be re-obtained with a 800 jewel character slot anyway.
lv1-80 personal story doesnt practice a matter for LS2-HoT-LS3, my lv80 boosted chracters with 0% map completion exercise LS2-HoT-LS3 with nothing bug. And then no there won't exist updates needed there.
Giving your old progression dorsum later on the first mission is not incommunicable to program so more non existent problems.
Saying "I already said information technology" doesn't dismiss annihilation I've said. Bug nonetheless exist, regardless of what Yous personally believe near the rewards and such. Level 80 boosts are and so different from race changes, because that character isn't beingness reset . Never said whatever of the above was impossible, I said it wasn't feasible, in that location is a very massive departure between the two.
Whether you believe anything mentioned is an issue or not, they ARE issues, objectively and so. And so many design decisions need to be made and that'south earlier even implementing the whole thing. These 'non-problems' are role player side perspective, not developer side perspective and in that location's a massive difference between the two. You tin't just say "yeah throw in race modify" and so casually and completely dismiss the unabridged design process as 'not-issues'. Doing so is ignorant at best.
a race alter would reset all your story.
I am willing to redo my 1-lxxx story without whatever reward for race change.
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This thread is super hilarious! "For the love of god", people want race changes for "over 4 years now". What'southward wrong with you lot people picking something then alter your mind like that?
No need to be rude and telephone call others "hilarious" for wanting something you don't.
Information technology'southward an online game, picking a race and changing your listen later isn't new, rare, or wrong. Goose egg is "incorrect" with people wanting to modify. Haven't you ever picked something for a while then decided you would rather do something else? People tin can change their minds; I for i think that's a adept thing.
And the question following up is why would Arenanet practise that and why would you want to spend so much money on it? How come that your interests shifted so much you create this thread and it goes on and on? I am playing midgets since I picked Tristana as first character in League of Legends in 2010. I would never suddenly pick a Norn. Make upward your mind before that. I hateful, you literally inverse past 180° if you get from the Maste.. from Asura to Norn, it's the very opposite. And now you want it to be done in a blink of an eye?
They experience like playing something different, maybe they like how a new outfit or armor looks on a different race more. Maybe they like 1 of the other races new hairs more then the race they started with. A game that is constantly growing and changing, particularly adding customization options is bound to take people changing what they graphically appeals to them.
But because YOU wouldn't alter what your playing doesn't mean other players wouldn't. That's like maxim you usually play ten looking character so that's all yous ever play. Honestly I don't think nearly players feel like that.
I would never want a race/profession change item for myself. I accept i norn and 1 charr that are only parked at chests, doomed to never see whatever existent play time. I won't delete them since they are from launch, but don't mind logging them in for the chest rewards and eventual altogether rewards.
Every bit the game continues to grow, I tin can see the value of race/profession change items. When it was just core Tyria, I'd say sure, only create a new toon. Merely now in that location is so much more than to uncover plus HP's, Masteries, etc that in that location could exist value in swapping your race and/or profession. Maybe it just locks the personal story, I dunno. Merely people change and the game changes, so a option would be good.
Only charge a agglomeration o' gems for it! ;P
For y'all who desire a race change, a few questions to figure out what the cadre wish/outcome is:
1) What is it that you admittedly want to continue from your erstwhile character?
2) What of the to a higher place is not achieved by making a new character and keeping the old. Seeing as anything gained from birthday presents are account bound, and /age isn't visible to others.
Edit: Of course I sympathize the answers volition differ from thespian to player, I'm curious about unlike perspectives.
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1) What is it that you admittedly desire to go on from your old graphic symbol?
– For me information technology's bag upgrade slots. To a lesser extent map completion/hero pointsii) What of the to a higher place is non achieved by making a new graphic symbol and keeping the old. Seeing equally anything gained from birthday presents are account bound, and /age isn't visible to others.
– Literally both things are not carried over to a new character.To those strongly opposed to race changes. How does it negatively impact you if other players would like the ability to change their race? (in terms of playing the game, dev resources are obviously going to exist taken, simply that'due south the case for any change or feature addition.)
I don't recollect anyone'due south opposed to them calculation race change. Just saying that the chances of information technology are near 0 due to the problems the race alter would bring and the cost associated with it vs the number of people who would use it.
And very few people who inquire for the race change seem to practice more than just magic wand the problems away. Very few seem willing to effort to find a solution to the problems race change will bring.
I don't call back anyone's opposed to them adding race alter. But proverb that the chances of it are near 0 due to the problems the race change would bring and the toll associated with it vs the number of people who would utilize it.
And very few people who enquire for the race modify seem to do more than than just magic wand the issues abroad. Very few seem willing to try to detect a solution to the issues race alter volition bring.
Ahh ok, are at that place whatever accurate statistics for the number of people who would use information technology? I changed my main race twice… and would accept probably used one befor changing if the choice had been nowadays.
I don't think anyone is trying to only magic wand problems away. Just most posters have little to no experience in what it would require to make changes like this, so just stating the goals of said alter are more than logical.
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There is no need for race change. If y'all really like this game, you will make another grapheme with different race. I have 31 characters, they all have map completion. Ok I admit, you need to work for those another characters also, but that's the life. We will not get anything prepare on our hands anyways. We need to piece of work for it. So guys, if you want to play some other race, make another character and play information technology. Keep your old graphic symbol and it volition get all birthday presents and new characters will go them besides in time.
Believe me, map completion is fun when you take done it many times. You merely run in specific routes on the maps and you will get it fast. I don't understand why people run into map completion such a bogeyman in their minds. It is hard at starting time time, but second time you already know what to do to get it. And believe me 31st fourth dimension it is still fun.
There is no need for race change. If yous really like this game, you will make some other character with different race. I accept 31 characters, they all accept map completion. Ok I admit, you need to work for those some other characters too, simply that's the life. We will not get anything ready on our hands anyways. We need to work for it. So guys, if you want to play some other race, make some other grapheme and play information technology. Keep your onetime character and it will become all birthday presents and new characters will get them too in fourth dimension.
Believe me, map completion is fun when y'all have washed it many times. Y'all just run in specific routes on the maps and you will get it fast. I don't sympathise why people see map completion such a bogeyman in their minds. It is hard at commencement time, but second time yous already know what to practice to get it. And believe me 31st time it is however fun.
I like the game. That doesn't mean I desire to brand another grapheme if I wanted to change races.
I'd say that's a thing of opinion. Afterward the 7th time I'd really rather non do information technology again. What you consider fun may not be the aforementioned as what someone else does; some people enjoy map completion others don't. Just because it'southward not fun to them doesn't mean they think of information technology as a bogeyman or anything of the sort. It simply ways information technology's non an aspect of the game they enjoy.
My issue with wanting a race change at times is I would hate to accept to buy the pocketbook slots once again; they aren't cheap.
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ANet will brand the decision based on information that we practise not take. In the end it will be a matter of return on investment. A race change token that takes 10 hours of dev resources needs to not only generate more acquirement than the cost, but as well more revenue than whatever else could have been produced for that cost.
I think that information technology might be profitable, but only ANet tin can maybe know. Past dev comments against the idea need to be taken with a grain of common salt though as priorities and business realities do evolve over fourth dimension. There accept been enough of changes to the game that contradict past dev statements.
Source: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Race-change-please-for-the-love-of-god
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